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to europe. remember this fella here over my shoulder there? silvio berlusconi. a billionaire prime minister of italy elected three times even though as they say in rome, he was corrupt. >> the italian prime minister is no stranger to scandal. charges of bribery, corruption and embezzlement. >> officially guilty of tax fraud. >> sentenced to newshour years in prison for tax fraud. >> a serial flanderer. >> tales of lavish orgies. >> notorious all night so-called bunga-bunga parties. paying for sex with an underage prostitute. >> he was saying he could haven't sex with 11 women so instead he had sex with eight women. (laughter). >> jon: a man who had sex with eight women. that's the worst bond villain ever! (laughter) and if you pull one of them off, you just grow back. last november with the italian economy tanking, voters replaced berlusconi with his polar opposite, mario monti, an academic economist who promised to balance italy's books with strict austerity measures. that's not an easy choice. the country basically deciding it would be better to live with its hard-ass stepfather even thou
monti intends to resign. berlusconi hopes to stage a comeback. >> stormy political weather ahead for italy. suddenly, mario monti is on the way out. there will be early elections and berlusconi is reaching for power again. on the markets, there is deep unease. they're like the austerity measures and the reforms of the technocrats, mr. monti. they fear the return of politics as usual in italy. even if berlusconi is far behind in the polls, the very idea his attempt at come back has jangled nerves. >> the markets are shocked at the prospect that berlusconi would become prime minister again. he is responsible for the crisis in italy. he should enjoy his pension. the reforms have to go on. >> in this from the marketplace, there is not much enthusiasm for a return of mr. berlusconi. >> we italians need to worry, not because of the current crisis. more because this idiot berlusconi is around. i hope it's a good smashed in the face. -- i hope he gets a good smash in the face. >> but berlusconi is a formidable campaigner. he will tell people that he will ease their economic agony. he wil
. >>> now, berlusconi and bersani are already exchanging blows after what's considered to be a controversial moment in italy. berlusconi has announced he's creating a new center right grouping. meanwhile, mario monti has been accused oversimplifying solutions during the fiscal crisis. carolin is joining us now from rome. do we expect more of this rhetoric today? >> oh, definitely. not just today, but specifically over two months. elections will only be held probably on february 24th. we've got about two months of the silly campaigning season to follow. so yes, as you said, the verbal exchange is definitely heating up. it started with mr. monti's response criticism coming from officials about his renewed request for the prime minister post yesterday. he said this criticism was out of place. it was offensive not just for him, but also for all of the people in italy who have the freedom to vote. this morning, he did an interview with one of the channels here in italy and he said, i don't really care about this spread because the spread is based on fraud. that's the direct translation. meanwhile
berlusconi next year. the unexpected drop signals continued pressure from abroad. and meeting face-to-face, president obama and house speaker john boehner sit down for a one-on-one over the weekend. there are just three weeks left before the u.s. goes over the fiscal cliff. >>> italian shares are down nearly 3% this morning. for the most part, it is bank stocks leading the way down. we're now down about 2.76% on the ftse mib. bank stocks have been hit particularly hard this morning. earlier, we saw shares down 5.6%. we're seeing the same thing, whether it's bmps hitting session lows down nearly 6% comes amid concerns about leadership and economic reform in italy following mario monte's announcement that he'll resign once the budget has been passed. this move is likely to bring the country forward to elections next year. the italian prime minister has offered no clue as to whether or not he will run and it comes after sylvia berlusconi declared over the weekend he would throw his hat in the ring for the job of premier. carolyn ross is in italy following the details there. can you wa
his agenda. >>> but he has competition in the form of sylvia berlusconi. he tells cnbc he feels a responsibility to run. >> feel the need to return to the political arena to prevent the country from being delivered into the hands of a leftist party. >> and the crowds are out, the stores are ringing up those sales, but u.s. shoppers may be running low on holiday spirit. and analysts say that they're spending less, as well. hi, everybody. welcome. merry christmas out there. thank you for joining us here on the show. what we're looking at today, we've got slightly quiet markets ahead of the u.s. open. what we're seeing, though, that all the markets are being called lower across the board stateside. the dow is being called a bit lower, nasdaq is being called a bit lower and the s&p 500 being called down by a bybit, as well. we saw markets coming off on friday stateside. pretty significant drops, as well, given that we now seem to be a clashing of heads between the republicans and the democrats in regards to moving forward on the fiscal cliff issue. it does seems as though they're ru
silvio berlusconi make a comeback? and apocalypse not. we're all still here. >> america's powerful gun lobby wants armed guards at every school in the u.s. the national rifle association came a week after 20 young children and six duments were killed. >> 26 bell tolls for the moment the shooting happened a week ago. washington, d.c. protestorses toled with security outside the national rifle association event. inside two protestors disrupted proceedings twice. the n.r.a. is a powerful lobby inner the constitutional rights to bear arms. n.r.a. speakers marked the start of a serious national conversation to prevent school shootings. their main idea, more guns in schools. >> the only way -- the only way to stop a monster from killing our kids is to be personally involved and informsed in a plan of absolutely protection. the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> the n.r.a. is launching a national school shield program to work with schools to beef up security on sight. >> i call on congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to pu
run by monti. berlusconi hinted he may return to politics after stepping down last year. claudia joins us in milan. a number of reports suggested this may not upset investors too much just because we were going to have elections anyway, it doesn't bring it forward a lot earlier. is that the sense that you're getting? >> yes, it doesn't really change in terms of the timing. it just gives you an idea, though, of where berlusconi stands and what the situation is like within that central right next. the pdl has made it clear that there is a serious disagreement within the party. they were set to go forward with some primaries which is what the center left did to elect their candidate. and now that berlusconi has abruptly announced that he's going back, that tells you there is a lot of tension. he's trying to define the support, enough support in order to have some say in parliament even after the elections. an apparently he probably was not able to get that within his own party. as far as the situation overall is concerned, we did see the spread go higher and there are concerns. the minute
berlusconi's party. apple stock is back around $531 a share after a leading investment firm, jeffreys, cut the future price target by $100. a leading analyst says smart phone saturation may lead to slow growth in the coming years. the new price target is $800 per share as opposed to 900. apple stock is down 25% since the record close above $700 a share in september. and the world's biggest hamburger chain, mcdonald's, saw sales increase 2.4% at restaurants open more than a year. growth was bigger than expected. breakfast items and limited time only cheddar bacon and onion sandwiches boosted sales. the stock is up 2.5% in trading yesterday. the results represent a rebound. in october mcdonald's had its first ever decline in same-store sales in nine years. back to you. >> hampton, thank you. >> back pain affects 80% of americans a at some point in their lifetime. it comes in many forms. here with ideas hon how to help is kim from boundless yoga. who did you bring? >> i brought carol. she's been studying with me for five years and is a great student. >> as we talk about back pain carol will p
that italy can go back on to a sustainable growth path and -- >> is that with or without berlusconi involved? because end of february are these elections. >> yes. the elections are, of course, more the campaign heading into the elections with all these noises, especially the end ecb noises that we hear from italy. that's going to cause concern that if italy does need help, how likely are they going to be to get it? in the years from 1993 to 2007 italy brought down its debt to gdp ratio to almost 100% and half of that time berlusconi is prime minister. it's not like berlusconi has a record of fiscal spending. >> no. but i guess also the times were different. >> the times were different but the interest rate was slightly higher than it is now. but the primary surplus of the country ran over that period which was an acceptable 3% on average is already right now reached once again. so all the parameters are in the right place and the only thing the next government needs to do is actually nothing. if it does nothing, if it doesn't reverse the reforms -- >> what's interesting is what berlusconi is
-off that we saw on monday and the monte/berlusconi news, now berlusconi might be indicating willingness to let monti govern. the xetra dax is lower this morning. the ftse 100, too, down about 0.2% respectively. take a look at the bond curve. spain, this will be a good proxy for now. we'll get the ten year for italy in just a second. 35.34% is the level there. u.s. benefiting from fund flows well. choppy trade across the picture here. let's look at the italian curve before we get the results later today. we are seeing green across the board, so yields dipping before that probably has more to do with the political rhetoric we're seeing especially coming from berlusconi. under 4.6% for the ten-year and on the short and two, a bit of a rally. finally, let's close taking a look at the forex. euro/dollar is weaker. and it's holding just above 1.30. and the dollar/yen, this is the one sixuan mentioned to watch. heading into japanese elections, stocks outperform adding oots .1% to 83.35 this morning. >>> south korea's central bank may be worried about factors in the economy, but the dok says the econo
. >> turmoil in italy. berlusconi throws his hat in the ring. retail sales numbers out of china, hoping the economy is in fact on an upswing. >> apple, enthusiasm. jeffreys trimming its price target to 800 from 900, as apple shares do trade lower in the pre-market. we'll start with mcdonald's, posting better than expected november same-store sales, global comps up 2.4. u.s. same-store sales up 2.5, offered by breakfast offerings, including that cheddar/bacon/onion sandwich, as melissa mentioned. jim? people are saying the u.s. maybe is making a turn here. >> i find mcdonald's is levered to new products, levered to menu technology. they do invent things. my hat's off to janet. they had this number last week. reminds people, again, they've been right down, and up. mcdonald's is one of those things where joe asked me from squawk when we were talking, i said, i think this is a for real term. if they continue to innovate. i may this may not be your cup of tea, burger, but innovation s higher. >> they tried to sell it to consumers as opposed to their extra value menu, which is a little bit hi
's next election forward by just a month or two. berlusconi announced he would run again for prime minister. in a newspaper interview, the head of the euro bailout fund said that could mean more financial trouble ahead for italy and for the eurozone. italy has pushed through important reforms in the past year, he said. markets have honored this so far. however, they have acted with concern to the recent developments at the end of last week. u.s. ratings agency standard and poor's also expressed doubts about whether italy passed next government would remain committed to the next reforms -- italy's's next government would remain committed to the end -- italy's next government would remain committed to the reforms. >> our correspondents and does this report from the frankfurt stock exchange -- our correspondent sent us this report from the frankfurt stock exchange. >> traders have been disappointed. they have to wait another day until they get to know the outcome of the greek program. uncertainty always drags down shares, not only of traders -- if traders and investors look at greece
berlusconi actually have any chance with voters? >> the extraordinary thing is that despite his being really comprehensively discredited in the eyes of the rest of the world, a lot of italians seem prepared to fall for his charm and his promises, and he is actually on a media blitz at the moment, taking advantage of the fact that there are currently no rules since the campaign has not officially opened, restricting access to the media. so his face and words are absolutely everywhere on the television and radio and in the press, and i think he is able to appeal to italians' baser instincts, the fact that they are suffering under austerity, and that they see him as -- they associate with him a feel good spirit, although he did not actually succeed in delivering on it when he was in government. >> thank you very much for delivering on that. >> onto friday's market action. european shares gave up ground on the final trading day of the week. our correspondents and as the summary from the frankfurt stock exchange. >> hopes fading at the stock market u.s. politicians may reach a deal on time, alarm
after former prime minister's silvio berlusconi's party withdrew its support. been criticized his pledge -- they criticize his pledge to retract some taxes he had budgeted last year. he returned here to the official prime minister's residence. whether he will be here after the election depends on whether the coalition allows him to finish the job. >> he has the capability to be useful in a second moment when the election maybe can give our result with not a very strong winner, but the necessity of recognition. and he is a man who can be useful to leave the government. > i don't think that monti's manifesto will change anything in the italian state. politics is quite embarrassing. i think his resignation will not bring much here or in europe. >> i heard that even if he distances himself he can contribute to contribute as a real leader to our country, because our country is in are really difficult situation. i hope that he can do something positive. >> campaigning for the elections will start officially. in the end, he may be called again to lead the country out of the economic crisis. al
of the tough sacrifices and they have made over the past year in order to come out from the abyss of berlusconi's government. the government should be inspired by very simple rule, who has more has to give more. who has less has to give less. >> pope benedict has made a surprise visit to the jail holding his a former butler for stealing and linking his private documents. it is allowed to return to his family. >> it is the season of good will and the christian world. nowhere -- nowhere more so than the vatican. there is one of the biggest pre digit -- security breaches in living memory. he stole an elite vast numbers of private documents. pope but it made a visit to the jail where he was being held. he gave him a pre-christmas pardon. he was convicted of aggravated that in october and sentenced to 18 months in prison. it was a case that rocked the foundation of the catholic church establishment, revealing greaseless power struggles and making claims of sexual misconduct with high-level corruption. now he is free to spend christmas with to his family. >> this is a gesture toward a person with who
. >> so here's italy. silvio berlusconi. your intro was about mario monti which is all true. silvio berlusconi, the former prime minister of italy -- >> my favorite. >> thank goodness for silvio berlusconi. >> look at his hair. what is he, 76? >> 76. he just sat down with cnbc italy over the weekend. silvio berlusconi says he does not want to run for prime minister, but, he is obligated to, because the country needs him so desperately. he is the only one that can bring together 40% of the people who vote for him, so that way the left does not control italy. >> he could not get 40%, could he? or could he? >> i don't know if he could get 40%. he thinks he can get more than anybody else. >> really? >> yes. >> now the question is, 40% isn't enough once you're in a parliament, right, because of a parliamentary system and two other parties that used to support him no longer do. it's not clear what they would ultimately do, would they really link to the left? it's hard to say. more than italy, remember, they would never agree with this, but they're far more dramatic than southern italy. >>
you saw berlusconi kind of backed off and actually support him now so it's like they're going to parachute him back in. he won't run and he says i don't have to because he is a life senator whatever that means but italy has its own laws as you know, probably as well as anybody. but he wants -- he'd like to continue to run the show because he feels just like mario draghi that he's been very successful and he can't let go of the reins. now i understand that. but he doesn't want to run. >> he's been very successful and he tells us about that. >> right. >> he had his july 26th surprise between him and mario draghi but in the end as you pointed out off camera he doesn't want to lose. he's not going through the process in a way where he can lose. basically if you appoint me i'll take it. >> right. >> i think president obama or any politician in the u.s. would love to have those terms up. >> right. he wants the terms. no election. i don't want that process. i don't want the feeling of rejection but i'd like to continue in this path. italy has to make a decision and i think the big mo
, berlusconi and the german chancellor merkel were present. a lot of expressions of support for a monti candidacy here. what does this imply? what are people making of this? >> it's one of these things. in all honesty, we thought that the era of berlusconi had been done and dusted and we had opened a new page. but, okay, sometimes there are some comeback kids and berlusconi could be one of them. he did say that if monti would stand, he would resolve his claim to anything, but he wanted to prevent a shift to the left in italy. that's something angela merkel could support. although she might have to face her own transition to the left as we face elections in september. it's hoped mario monti would stand again and would stay in place because clearly that was the sort of work in progress that worked well. down with the euro and italy has to walk its own way. that is not something that we would like to hear in the eu eurozone or in berlin. >> silvia, thank you so much for your time. >>> now, a weak ahead of the person of the year, the winner, north korean leader kim jong un. the magazine did
after the party of sylvia berlusconi withdrew support for monti's government last week. berlusconi has indicated he will run for leadership again. cnbc's carolin roth will join us from italy with the latest in a few minutes. when i was over there, i had to have the -- all the political signs translated because there's a picture of monti sitting under a beach chair drinking a drink and all the text was send monti to the beach. they already didn't like him. >> he had very high disapproval ratings. i remember last summer i had seen that somewhere. >> they want to send him to the beach. the major european averages at this hour, there they, they're all down. not great in france, but germany down about .7% and the ftse down fractionally. other news out of europe, debt tieback for from an day to receive additional buyback offers. those would be at deeply discounted prices and that would help lower the country's debt lead. >>> in asia, stocks touched a 16-month high and closed mostly higher on the session with good gains, as you can see, with the kospi up the most, 1.5 points. >> strong nebs o
government could fall. >> the "b" word, berlusconi, incredible. see you later. if you're just joining us here is what you missed earlier this morning. >> welcome to hour three of "squawk on the street." here is what's happening so far. >> a sound fiscal position is necessary to protect the economy. >> okay. >> if we don't do that, as this economy recovers, that recovery is going to be aborted and that's going to do damage. >> 370,000, a drop of 25,000, because the 393 originally released last week was upgraded a couple of thousand. >> people are truly perplexed about what the stock is, where it got to, what do you do with it. >> so you can come up with a million reasons. it's manufacturing, well, maybe it is manufacturing, but is there really a demand question about apple's products? [ bell ringing ] >> there is a scenario says and some people believe in it, go over the cliff and if about two, three days we'll have it settled. . look if we knew that was going to happen i'd say go over the cliff. two or three days is not going to do any harm. suppose it's two or three weeks, suppose it's two o
. berlusconi says spreads, this is really just a scam. monty says we should care about spreads. want to bring in a third opinion. let's talk about bepo grillo, founder of the five-star movement. not a political party but a movement which benefits from voters' disenchantment with mr. berlusconi and mr. monty. he agrees with mr. berlusconi on one thing. he says spreads are all just based on speculation. >> translator: the spread is completely detached from the real economy. the spread is mental hallucination created by speculation in the banking sector because half of the italian debt is owned by foreign banks. these banks try to get high rate in order to earn more. so we are a victim of banking speculation, of both foreign and domestic banks. we shall detach from the real economy. we need to stop this vicious cycle of debt that is strangling us. >> reporter: many would argue it's the right time for mario monty to leave the political scene. would you agree? >> translator: he needs to disappear. he was, as the americans say, a bluff, a bubble, a bankruptcy curator. our country went bankrupt last
berlusconi plans to run to become prime minister for a fifth time. the media tycoon says he's returning "sadly to public service out of a sense of responsibility." the 76-year-old resigned last year amid italy's deepening economic woes. he still faces allegations he paid for sex with an underaged prostitute. berlusconi denies that. >>> to politics. he served his state as a republican, left the party, turned pent, and now charlie crist is officially a democrat. crist announced he signed papers switching his party. some are speculating he made the move to run against rick scott in 2014. the latest now on the fiscal cliff. there has been very little actual movement this week on it. both sides have their proposals on the table, but it seems like no one is sitting at those tables. there's been a lot of back and forth on television, but what's really getting done, if anything? joining me now as they do every week, cnn contributor maria cardona, and amy holmes, anchor for real news on the blaze. good morning to both of you. >> good morning, randi. >> i'm sure you've been watching all the back
-old berlusconi has announced an engagement to his 27-year-old girlfriend live on italian television. the billionaire revealed that he finally felt, quote, less lonely thanks to his relationship. it will be mr. berlusconi's third marriage provided he can reach divorce arrangements from his current wife. >>> now as investors prepared to head home for the long christmas holiday, we're taking a look at what is in store. a slow grind to recession, that man is david evans, chief financial economist at jeffries. thanks for joining us. when do we come out of recession in europe? >> the uk at the moment is showing clear signs of recovery. i think if we can through the first quarter of nkts year, it all will be recovering. i don't care expect this to be a real turn until the second half. as we go into the second half of next year, it will become clearer. even the eurozone is recovering. within that, you'll have very much the laggards. france won't do particularly well, but germany and italy maybe next year have a potential surprise on the upside. >> how much of a surprise? >> it will not be a
into the prime minister's role following the resignation of silvio berlusconi last year. monte's resignation sparked concern. >>> president obama and members of the senate will gather later today to say good-bye to one of their own. senator daniel inouye who represented hawaii in statehood. he was 8. senate majority leader senator harry reid has called on neil abercrombie to quickly appoint a successor before the end of the year. >>> ted kennedy jr., son of the late edward kennedy is considering a run for john kerry's senate seat, according to his brother former congressman patrick kennedy. "boston globe" reports that ted reached out to family members, friends and prominent democrats including john kerry about the possible run. he will likely faceoff against former senator scott brown who lost his seat to elizabeth warren in the november elections. those are your top stories. "reliable sources" at the top of the hour. now back to fareed zakaria "gps." >>> what would you dine a recession the fatd of a million jobs rested with you and just a few of us. nearly four years ago that was the questi
the resignation of silvio berlusconi last year. sparked concern that italy may slip back into a recession. >>> president obama and members of the senate will gather later today to say good-bye to one of their own. senator daniel inouye who served. he died last week of respiratory complications. he was 88. senate majority leader has called on abercrombie to appoint a successor before the end of the year. >>> ted kennedy jr., son of
between silvio berlusconi, the former prime minister, who this week withdrew his support for the existing mario. they will not call for a dissolution of the par lament or the government in italy. that is a promise made by berlusconi. that is good news because as far as barclays capital is concerned it doesn't matter for the markets. what you really need is a stable government and saying to the opposition, look, if do you empower, make it clear you're going to come through with reforms that are already on the table. in that environment, the fact that we're not going to have a disorderly dissolution in italy, you've seen the yields, in fact, fall on the italian debt. so after yesterday, the yields spike. in other words, the bond market is rising and a little bit more. >> do you think there's as th ce he runs again, berlusconi? >> probably not. the reason he did that, withdrew his support is -- the expectations is not that he'd run, but who knows. the man is a dash the m-- the m character. >> yes, he is. have a great weekend. sharon epperson is live at the nymex. good morning, sharon. >> goo
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% of italians are against him running for a second turn. meanwhile, sylvia berlusconi promised yesterday if he's voted back in, he'll reverse some of monti's policies. >>> in tokyo, the newly elected prime minister is meeting with the head of the central bank. also, we'll head out to frankfurt where do you have ya mark may have dodged another bullet. >>> then it's over to hong kong. aig sells its remaining stake in aia and formally ends a partnership dating back 100 years. all of that straight ahead. i always wait until the last minute. can i still ship a gift in time for christmas? yeah, sure you can. great. where's your gift? uh... whew. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. ship fedex express ecember 22nd for christmas delivery. >>> the latest numbers out of china, in the first 11 months, foreign investments led. investment from the u.s. did pick up. . on the equity front, the shanghai composite has been powering ahead up over 9% just this month. with external factors impeding economic growth, the long-term pir r picture may not be rosy. china is the only market of the year like
berlusconi's party with their support setting the stage for new general election in february. ♪ >> gregg: well, look out, from weather, leaving few areas of the country untouched. heavy snow, and strong winds, threatening to make christmas travel a real chore. the nation's airports now looking like waiting rooms. stranded passengers waiting for cancelled flights to be rescheduled and in green bay, wisconsin, home of the packers, buried in snow, so bad, lambeau field is hiring fans to help shovel it away before tomorrow's game. maria molina live in the fox extremes weather center. >> snow storm in the midwest and great lakes and north east and is now exiting the u.s. and pulling into canada amd winding down as far as intensity and snow goes well, have lingering snow showers, in up state new york and portions of vermont and western connecticut and massachusetts. again, overall, the storm system pretty much over and done with, the wind will continue to die down and temperatures, will be chilly behind the storm. midwest, southeast, quiet for today and as we head westbound we still have big t
saw the negative reaction. sylvia berlusconi wants to make his return on the political scene. today, we saw a bounce back. if you can see see bind me, the bank stocks in italy rerebound, but it's only in the range of .5% to 1% of these names which were down in some cases nearly 10% yesterday. if you take a quick look at european bourses, if that's possible, down near the ftse mib, this is the one selling off somewhere in the range of 3.5% yesterday. today it's adding about .8%. in spain, showing a nice rebound. same attitude listing peripheral debt. we can take a look there. italy and spain seeing prices rise, yields falling to 4.75% and 5.75% respectively. is investor attention returning to spain? here is the thing. italy is the third biggest government debt market in the world. it's the third biggest economy in the eurozone. whatever happens with its political situation could put neighboring pressure on spain. the main thing to keep an eye on here is whether spain comes back into the markets cross hairs. we saw today an auction go up reasonably well. we're looking for the country
of a much earlier election in italy. to that end it is fascinating. sylvia berlusconi has come out today warning about the germano center of politics. in other words, too much of a focus on what is happening from germany and the austerity inspired by angela merkel. in particular, he is drawing attention to this. which is the spread of the extra that investors demand to hold italian bonds over german bonds. i've shown this to you a couple times. over the last year it's been a mainstay of a lot of the italian business broadcasts internally. they say our bonds are currently trading so many basis points above the germans on their hourly bulletins. that was one of the reasons why at the height of it berlusconi was kicked out of power. he's saying now this is a total calm. italians essentially should ignore it. he said the spread is a con. back to you, carl. >> he is back. silvio is back. >>> as we head into the final fomc meeting of 2012 fed policymakers have traders on edge. want to get to rick santelli on that in chicago. >> i'm on edge, all right. let's do a summary before i bring my guest
this morning. back to you. >> did you see the -- berlusconi saying that italy might have to leave the euro -- i love this guy. and -- >> joe, i'll tell you, he has a point. a lot of people say if italy wasn't in the eurozone now, if you were to analyze the italian economy, current account surplus or ability to get there, it's competitiveness, that actually it would be in a decent position on its own. you know, that's a counter factual that may not be worth exploring. although berlusconi's clearly exploiting that perception. >> if germany doesn't agree to have -- to be a real central bank. he's looking good, 76. he's going to run again. his hair is jet black. and i think he's still -- >> i'm sure it's natural. >> you want to avoid him if you can. like -- keep your distance if you would. >> no, i don't have to -- joe, he's engaged now. he has another -- a new wife. >> i didn't realize that. then definitely. >> yes. i'm devastated -- >> the world's women are safe now. he's engaged. now, in february, there's another election. this is what i love -- he's way behind the leading party which has 30%. t
for a potential return to politics of silvio berlusconi. again, not clear exactly why the post there has -- there's been a postponement of the end of the year press conference. that is the case as we are learning this morning. >>> moving on to shares in ubs which are at the top of the smi in zurich after the bank announced a settlement with u.s., u.k., and swiss regulators over its role in the libor fixing scandal. ubs will pay a total fine of $1.5 billion after admitting to manipulating the rate. as well as pleading guilty to charges of fraud and bribing brokers. the swiss bank says the fine will lead to a greater than expected fourth quarter loss. but that it will not need to raise new capital. carolyn, the response here by shares positive leading, in fact, the borce as we see it. >> ubs is the better performer on the smi, up by 2.3%. yes, the story, you know, has leaked over the last couple of days. we thought the loss would be bigger. maybe -- or the fine, rather, would be about $1.6 billion. now it's only $1.5 billion. still, this is a very, very hefty fine. i mean, it's three times the amou
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